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Grit Breather
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Posted - 2012.08.03 07:50:00 -
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A lot of you might not know this. Infact, most of you probably come from countries with rich armies so even those who've done military service probably won't know this.
Where I come from, there are always budget issues with military equipment. This leads to some interesting solutions.
APC's for example (Armoured Personnel Carriers). While we do have some APC's which were designed as such from the ground up, we also have quite a lot which were build from decomissioned tanks.
What is basically done is you take a tank and start by removing its turret. That clears up a hell of a lot of internal space which is then converted to a personnel carrying capacity.
Why is this good? You still get all the advantages of the tank's superiour armour, speed and staying power but instead of using it to blast away you use it to get infantry much further into enemy ground.
So how does this relate to Dust?
I was thinking that maybe the APC role could be a module you fit to a tank instead of the main turret. You'd still have the two small ones for defence (much as modern APC's have) but you'd convert that firepower to a transport role. It would be like a heavily armoured land based dropship.
What do you think? Could this be a good module to have? |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 08:00:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:You'd still only have a total of 3 people in that vehicle. If they wanted to add passenger slots when that module was equipped, that could work, but it seems a better solution would be a new vehicle.
I'd like an APC though, as well as a Hummvee class vehicle in the game.
Of course the module would add passenger seats. It wouldn't be an APC otherwise.
I think there could be both. A lighter, faster APC which is its own vehicle but a heavier option with the HAV APC module. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 08:32:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Rhadiem wrote:You'd still only have a total of 3 people in that vehicle. If they wanted to add passenger slots when that module was equipped, that could work, but it seems a better solution would be a new vehicle.
I'd like an APC though, as well as a Hummvee class vehicle in the game. Uh no he wouldn't extra seats is the point of the apc module and thats the point of the lav
I'm sorry, I didn't understand that.
APC's are designed to carry 8-15 people into the battlefield in a fairly protected manner. They are support vehicles.
The LAV, while it can act as a support vehicle with some fits, it not designed to transport more than 1-2 people to the battlefield. Sure, it does this VERY fast and can be used as a sort of commando deployment method but not for the bulk of the force. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:24:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Grit Breather wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Rhadiem wrote:You'd still only have a total of 3 people in that vehicle. If they wanted to add passenger slots when that module was equipped, that could work, but it seems a better solution would be a new vehicle.
I'd like an APC though, as well as a Hummvee class vehicle in the game. Uh no he wouldn't extra seats is the point of the apc module and thats the point of the lav I'm sorry, I didn't understand that. APC's are designed to carry 8-15 people into the battlefield in a fairly protected manner. They are support vehicles. The LAV, while it can act as a support vehicle with some fits, it not designed to transport more than 1-2 people to the battlefield. Sure, it does this VERY fast and can be used as a sort of commando deployment method but not for the bulk of the force. I mean the lav is what he would call a humvee class vehicle
Ah, yes I suppose.
Not entirely accurate in military terms though. The Humvee carries a driver, a gunner and 2-3 more people. It's can also be (in some fits) armoured against even direct RPG hits. The Humvee is sort of a link between what we know as the LAV and what an APC should be. It's somewhere between them.
But back to your point, for Dust I agree with you. At least for the moment we don't need anything heavier than the LAV for what the Humvee does. We need the LAV and for larger engagements an APC. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 09:54:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:What if they made another weapon class in between the current ones(medium) to be used buy the apc driver to give it more fire power than a lav but less than a hav
You're speaking of vehicles similar to these:
Russian (old): http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/brdm-2-ntc.jpg
German: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ABr6uiJjj2w/THWXQuviePI/AAAAAAAADCA/VLeSuc5dPxI/s1600/a.jpg
British (I think): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6vdnXB4ISms/Tjlvh2xmPuI/AAAAAAAAAVA/jFG_Y1td37w/s1600/LAV-A2_Light_wheeled_Armoured_Vehicle_US_Marine_Corps_640.jpg
While they do have their roles and I think Dust should eventually have them, it would take a VERY big battlefield to allow adequate use of both this class, LAVs and HAVs. We just don't have big enough maps or teams to properly field them.
We'll probably only get this type of class when the PS4 is released and Dust has a lot more hardware resources at its disposal.
Also, on a different note. I found this:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100815220820/halo/images/a/aa/Real-halo-warthog.jpg
Someone actually build a real life Halo Warthog. Damn it people are insane. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 12:03:00 -
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For some ideas about how this would look, here are some examples:
- Puma - This is based on a British Centurion tank.
- Achzarit (vicious) - This is based on a Russian T55 tank.
- Namer (tiger) - This is based on the Israeli Merkava (chariot) tank. This one is not even yet in active use. It's basically a new prototype.
These are all very useful vehicles and the military relies heavily on them. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:36:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Riggs Tank wrote:I think APC is what the dropship are made for. But the tank without a turret would be a cheap option. to make it more useful the "Mod" should be more like a moblie CRU. either way its going to be EZ sp for my forge gun. It's suppose to be faster than the tank with a driver controlled small turret and carrying more people A bit like a bf3 or mag lav
I'm not sure about the driver controlled turret. I think it should be more like the LAV and dropship where the driver just drives. As for speed, you're right. The APC module could have a speed boost of 25% or so. |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:37:00 -
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Riggs Tank wrote:Wow think of all the SP if the thing can hold 10 ppl..
Just think of it properly tanking your damage and then unloading 10 merc on your head.  |
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Posted - 2012.08.03 21:58:00 -
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I'm happy CCP like this idea. Nice to make a difference. 
Someone earlier said this sounds like what Israel do with captured tanks. Well that's what I base my knowledge off of so good guess.
I think this should carry a full squad so yeah, 6 people in total.
I still don't think there should be a driver operated turret. Just 2 small turrets operated by the crew. The driver should just drive.
Also, another issue the needs addressing is how the crew will see what's outside. In a large operation on a large map you could spend more than a few minutes just being driven around. While it's ok in real life, I don't think PS3 players would much appreciate not seeing anything for a few minutes. |
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